Alright, we're talking about it here and think there's probably no good reason not to raise the HP some. Where do you guys think it needs to be to make say, three t2 fit BS, inefficient to gank?

And you're right about afk travel vs active travel, switching to agility to support align time sounds good to me.

Seriously? effectively ungankable?
You can bump this ship out of alignment until downtime and bringing a few waves of cheap fit destroyers to kill it.
It's pretty damn easy to draw concord away between waves.

I like it more with the shield increase because now you can bring your 2nd char in a loki with links and maybe surprise the gankers :)

The fix for SMB will come in Rhea or next patch, didn't Rise say that at the beginning of the thread?

And you don't need all 55 cata at the same time, just eject them from an orca or another Bowhead and your pilots will just reship.
I've seen more than a few freighters killed by 2 waves while i was doing hauling.

And the scanning double wrapped packages .. you don't even need to see it. Who does that, for sure they have something to hide :)

I don't mind Marauders, BSs, blinged T3s being gnanked.
Big transport ships on the other hand, are pretty much defenseless. Well, not Orca but all the other ships are defenseless.
At least on Bowhead you can fit some resits mods.

Suicide ganking in highsec is ruining Eve. This is why so many of our new players quit in the first few weeks. CCP, please do more things like this to make ships un-gankable.

If you have any doubts, complete this sentence to yourself - " I like non-consensual ---."

Think of anything you like there?

Non-consensual PVP is ruining Eve. Make the jerks go to lowsec or nullsec for PVP.


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Tell us why it is fun. Serious question.

three things.

A) yes the ehp bump is completely necessary. We're talking about a ship capable of holding 3 battleships. the main niche that will use this more than anything is incursions runners which they will be faction ships most likely. If you do a cargo scan and see 2 vindi's and a mach. you don't need to see their fitting to know there is a lot of value. Not to mention it's a shield ehp boost so at least you can bring support ships as a security convoy AS THE GAME WAS INTENDED.

B) Are people going to gank it not knowing the value? Hell yes. That's the most ridiculous argument i have ever seen considering how many freighters are suicide ganked already with NOTHING in the cargo hold simply for "the tears".

C) If the ONLY thing you find fun in this game is suicide ganking please go play another game. Your subs won't be missed.

In my opinion it wasn't enough. If you are going to play a permanent criminal you should have to have the consequences of a permanent criminal for more than just 30 days, and that means blinky red or yellow.

You are not permanently vulnerable in the same way that blinky is.

Yes. You are effectively saying that just because you can mitigate a risk, it is zero. This is not the case. Everything put into the calculation is a risk. Just because you choose not to act on it does not mean the risk is removed GÇö quite the opposite.

For the gankers I am curious . . . when Taloses are used is it alpha or a dependence on the 05 or 0.6 slow response of concord to get a couple of volleys in?

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Only time I was in a gank fleet it was to NOT shoot in hopes their calculations would be off enough that they would all die without target destruction.

I think gankers themselves are being a bit disingenuous with their answer to this question. I think a good bit of the reason they use taloses over dessies in this case is that it takes far few people to gank a freighter with taloses than it does with dessies. Thats just my two cents.

Whilst it's not 100%-related to the information about the ship itself.....

Is it worth laying the 'gankiness' of it aside completely? For I believe I am right in saying that it is all but impossible to make a ship ungankable?

- Get gank fleet together
- bump ship off gate
- shoot ship, cause lots of damage
- continue to bump ship away
- wait out timer, get in new ship
- return to item 3 and continue loop until killed

Is that wrong?

However, curiously, given the Bowhead's attributes - if fitted with a Large (perhaps even Capital - also not yet confirmed by CCP) Hull Repairer - how much hull could be repaired in between gank-shoots? And/or, potentially, shield/armour equivalents.